sled skiing lessons learned - for discussion

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SLED/SKIING LESSONS LEARNED 2005-2006

*for discussion. Intended for those who go big - or want to in the future

1. Better to sled with more than one sled due to equipment malfunction requiring a tow out to parking lot.

2. Consistent communication is required between both sledding parties and the separated skiers (1 - FRS radio / person) Ensuring a line of sight between sledders and skiers from a safe terrain island is critical due to a skier’s injury potential and avalanche possibilities.

3. Re-evaluation of slopes is vital between 1130 hrs and 1400 hrs when snow conditions change the most. All slides I've seen at sledding areas have occurred so far this year in this time frame. (use extra caution when sledding and skiing on sun exposed rock bands in the afternoon. Beware of others above you - especially when the leg-humpers come out on the weekends).

4. Steeper slopes should be “ski cut” on the convex prior to dropping in. The sled spotters should have binos to observe the skier in the event of a entire face fracture.

5. Observe the line from the bottom and the top and plan for response routes up the slope with the sled in the event of an accident. Avoid closed out approaches with tree lines and cliffs.

6. Carry spinal immob, and toboggan for more remote access and riskier terrain and lines. E.G. Sale mountain where cell coverage is non existent and transit time to the parking lot is extended due to poor non-groomed trail conditions.

7. If your ski boots sink below the snow in spring conditions, do not ski or sled the slope it is too unstable. Beware of cross loaded slopes with windslabs. Move to treeline if this occurs. Limit travel time where evidence of previous runouts occur.

8. If you plan on hitting advanced terrain, each person should carry a personal rescue pack with rope, 3 10’ lengths tubular webbing, 3 prussiks, 3 carabiners and emerg rations, plus avi gear and a candle. Carry a rope retrieval system for over cliffs. (learn rescue skills including snow anchors and haul backs – at least 3 people should be trained) Know how to build a snow cave.

9. Always topo the area, grid with GPS and keep map with you. Try to research area prior to and after trip with google earth (downloaded from the web)- when the clouds drop in everything looks the same.

10. Double check your H2O supply prior to leaving the truck. 1 L H20 + 1 Gatorade per person for each day. Carry emergency rations.

11. Check avi transceivers prior to departing onto the trail. Not at the cabin or site, most trails in are in exposed avalanche terrain. Bring extra batteries, and an extra peeps in case someone forgets theirs.

12. Buy a locking gas cap to prevent fuel theft from vehicle at base.

13. Always carry spare fuel for sled and in vehicle while traveling. Bring wd40 for soaked wiring. Bring extra blue juice for windows, and for lock de-icer (Louise to Revy will drink a bottle for sure)

14. Duct tape, twist ties, bungee cords and zap straps rule

15 .Ski small slopes to start, then work up to bigger lines to establish safe zones. Start early if you want big lines

16. Keep and open mind and encourage everyone to voice their concerns. Be realistic. Try to avoid peer pressure. If there is any doubt – investigate further until it is removed. If doubt remains, it’s there for a good reason - move on to something else. (the mountain will still be there next time) Do not make route decisions solely based on previous tracks – snowmobile or ski lines.

17. Check for “rock wells” on staircases and around cliffs. Scout out landings for buried frozen sled tracks, as well as displaced rockfall and frozen babies heads from above.

18. Expect hidden logs and roots between untracked trails in tight trees. (Almost ripped off an A-arm and nun in 10’ at Sale this year). Reduce sled speed to slowest possible in these areas.

19. Wear the DESS on steep side hills, sketch traverses and approaches over cornices. Do not use it on steep uphills as it can become disconnected and you’ll have to restart your sled while traveling downhill. (practice this on small gradual slopes)

20. Don’t turn off or take off peeps in huts during breaks. This prevents people forgetting to wear them or turn them back on. You may depend on it when buried. (dig a hole and put a bit of snow over your head, you won’t laugh at this paragraph anymore.)

21. Bring extra gloves, toque, goggles and socks while on the mountain. 1 spare set between 3 people should do-except for the socks =1/per. Even though it may be spring like weather 100 KPH on the return trip home brings huge wind chills.

22. Everyone wears a full face helmet. I’ve avoided ~ 5 serious jaw injuries this year alone. Chewing on the drivers skull ain’t no fun. Not to mention all of the other sick crashes we have. Teeth are expensive.

23. Crank the DIN on your skis. Snowboards may be the better option in deep heavy snow if you’re impartial to what you ride. (losing a $600 ski sucks) don’t wear leashes, they love to razor femoral arteries and break femurs.

24. Make sure new guests have proper boots (they sometimes don’t know just how much snow there needs to be for good sledding)

25. Always leave home(hotel/camp) with a full tank in your vehicle. Your buddy will appreciate it in case you need to bug out to the nearest H in an emergency. Check local emerg #’s. 911 may not work in some areas.

26. Install a rubber washer under the kill switch on your bars. It sucks when you get bucked going up steep slopes only to have the sled die because your forearm hit the kill switch.

27. Bring an extra chain, belt and plugs, most new sleds have spaces for these. Make sure to check that factory supplied tools work on vital components. My plug wrench was a poor fit and strips the plugs it was designed for. (I’ve pitched it and got real tools in the slot instead.) Include a towing strap for your sled. – remove the belt of the towed sled.

28. Bring a tool kit for boards, skis and vehicle/trailer include spare trailer wiring plugs/sandpaper for corrosion and conductive dielectric grease. Consider bringing a hair dryer/extension cord to dry out cameras, GPS, Peeps, and the ECM(engine computer) on your sled. (use the lowest heat setting) – this is also good for frozen ski boots and cold toes. Make sure the lug wrench for the spare trailer tire fits.

29. Keep a spare set of keys for your truck/sled/locks with the other sled and opposite ski team as yourself.

30. Wear earplugs under your helmet. Most occupational compensation plans cover limited hearing loss if you are exposed to recreational noise (sleds). (I’ve lost 15% in my right ear in 6 years,…what?...what?)

31. Wear knee pads under your gear for all those times you smash your knees, after 3 or 4 days it starts to add up and ruins your lines.

32. Cover skis while in the box of your truck during highway commutes. The edges get the shit rusted out of them.

33. Check the local sunset times. Trying to find your skier in the dark sucks. GPS is good for this on the Hunt/Fish mode.

34. Make sure everyone is aware of the risks, your groups’ rules, and what their role is when an emergency arises. Bigger groups are more complex. Usually 4-8 people and 2-4 sleds are preferred.

- “All ski movies are carefully controlled. It’s all staged. Skiers and safety experts spend all year researching big lines and building scenes. Most people think this is spontaneous and that’s what gets them into trouble. “

- conversation with Chris Davenport Jan 06 Lake Louise, AB.

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sled skiing lessons learned - for discussion

great pointers, play safe out there people march is generally not a good month for fatalities.
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sled skiing lessons learned - for discussion

Used to be a troller and had to sign in to give you props for putting all this down in writing. Everytime we head out into the bc - either on sleds or not - there's a whole lot of thought put into it. For the most part these things have become just a part of preparation for the trip and go without saying. I must say though that it is a very good idea to review stuff like this and discuss the possibilities of what may occur and how to handle them with your crew.

Now, a question for you - you said

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7. If your ski boots sink below the snow in spring conditions, do not ski or sled the slope it is too unstable. Beware of cross loaded slopes with windslabs. Move to treeline if this occurs. Limit travel time where evidence of previous runouts occur

Is this due to the likelihood of a massive sluff that very well could put enough stress on the snowpack to cause a much larger release?

LAYC

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sled skiing lessons learned - for discussion

^ I'd say from his post that it's due to the likelihood of wet slides. He said spring conditions, so I assumed he meant sinking in to boot depth in an isothermal snowpack.

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sled skiing lessons learned - for discussion

Laughing,

I was thinking more in line with Toby, however due to the dynamic snow conditions encountered during spring, your thoughts are also possible; I do not know how common it is to get boot deep slush in a non isothermal snow pack, maybe someone more educated than myself on snow science may have some insight on this. (maybe a fast melt in the coastal ranges?)

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sled skiing lessons learned - for discussion

i think he simply meant that in typical "spring" snowpack, you're relying on a strong melt-freeze crust to support you.. night time freezing and hopefully some limited daytime melting to give you some nice corn on top worth skiing... if you're sinking boot deep, that melt-freeze crust has likely melted too deep and your stability is gone and you're risking wet slides and/or deeper releases. That was my interpretation anyways

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sled skiing lessons learned - for discussion

This is good... I don't think most skiers/snowboarders really understand the logistics of the snowmoboarding/skiing. They think, "That's gotta be easy... you just hit the throttle and go!"....
Wrong.
All of what frozen samsquanch said... plus you've gotta be able to actually ride the sled pretty good before you start tandoming up to the goods. Good skier/snowboarder doesn't = a good snowmobiler... That said if you put in some time it can be pure pure bliss! (minus the hearing loss, wha?)

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Most important tool when sled skiing/shredding

Dont forget the most important tool of all when sled skiing/shredding. A CFR ski/snowboard rack. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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sled skiing lessons learned - for discussion

thanks for posting this!

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sled skiing lessons learned - for discussion

For those of you who will not choose to snowboard on deep days as a way of avoiding ski loss, use flagging tape.
Rather than a leish, stuff about 20 ft of yellow or orange flagging tape up your pantleg and secure the other end to your binder.
It would be very rare to loose sight of the tape and not be able to recover your ski.
It may seem to be a bit of a hassle after taking your skis on and off a few times, but it's less trouble than the alternative.
Killer tips on the whole. Thanks for the resource and reminders.

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sled skiing lessons learned - for discussion

A little tip for towing, tie a bike tube from the end of your rope to whatever you're using for a handle. Avoids the sudden jerk when the rope goes taut, making it a smoother ride for skier being towed, and makes the driver's job easier too. if you're really brave and lazy, you can just put the tube around your waist, making it an easy day on your arms, but can making crashing interesting...

and don't worry, if the tube breaks, it's not elastic enough to slap you in the face. :D

Let it snow...

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sled skiing lessons learned - for discussion

I was soo scared when that thing broke :shock: , but luckily it only hit me in the chest, and it really works, we ended up just tying the rope to a makeshift handle and it was a way bumpier ride, as apposed to the bike tube.

deviation or departure from the normal or common order, form, or rule....

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sled skiing lessons learned - for discussion

Excellent list, very comprehensive.
Props for sure...

You picked this up from a single season?

Where is Cow Town?

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frozen.

I want to add in somewhere - you mentioned knowing the local sunset time. Please add: always carry headlamp. I keep the zipka in my pack. Weighs close to nothing and takes up almost no space. Just skinning out the other night it was a huge help.